21G Grandparents

8388608 John de Kary.664,619  b. Castle Cary, Somerset, England about 1200.

He m. Elizabeth Stapleton664,619.

They had one child:
4194304 i. William (~1230-1303)

8388609 Elizabeth Stapleton.664,619

8388610 Sir William Beaumonde.619

4194305 i. Alice

8388624 Guy de Bryan.645

He m. Jane de la Pole645.

They had one child:
4194312 i. Guy

8388625 Jane de la Pole.645

8388628 Raymond de Sully I.659  d. in 1242.

4194314 i. Walter (-1285)

8388630 Roger de Somery Lord Dudley.665,660  d. in 1273.

He m. Nichola d'Aubigny665,660.

They had the following children:
i. Margaret660
ii. Joan660
4194315 iii. Mabel (-1312)
iv. Maud660

8388631 Nichola d'Aubigny.665,660  d. before 1254.666

8388736 James le Orchard.621  d. after 1241.533

He was fined in 1241 to the use of Hemerick, his son.621

4194368 i. Hemerick (<1241-)

8388864 William de Paulet.624  b. before 1200. Resided in Pawlett, Somerset and Legh, Devon, England.

He held the manor of Legh in Hockworthy, Devon and the same in Pawlett, Somerset eacg by the service of a quarter knight's fee in 1242-3.

4194432 i. William

8388992 Sir Phillip Denebaud.633 Resided in Prostenant, Wales.

He was an adherent of the rebellious Richard Marshall, Earl of Pembroke.667

He m. Alice Giffard633.

They had one child:
4194496 i. Phillip

8388993 Alice Giffard.633

8552448 Robert Fitz Ralph Lord of Middleham & Spennithorne.608,486  b. about 1110. d. in 1185. bur. Chapter House, Coverham Abbey.

He succeeded his father by the year 1177. He received the forestry of Wensleydale from Earl Conan. He began the construction of the castle at Middleham in 1190. It is reported that he was aware of the plot to kill Saint Thomas Becket and failed to warn him, and, as an act of contrition he had Beauchief Abbey built in 1183.

He m. Helewise de Glanville487,486,668,669,670.

They had the following children:
i. Waleran486 (ca1170-<1194)
4276224 ii. Ranulf (-<1252)
iii. Radulphus486

8552449 Helewise de Glanville.487,486,668,669,670  d. in 1195.

8552450 Roger Bigod 2nd Earl of Norfolk.  b. about 1150.355 d. before August 2, 1221.355

Steward of England in 1186; attended the corronation of Richard I in 1189; Baron of the Exchequer1195; Magna Charta Surety in 1215 671

He m. Countess Ida _____.355

They had the following children:
4276225 i. Mary
ii. Hugh (-1225)
iii. William
iv. Ralph
v. Roger

8552451 Countess Ida _____.

from GEN-MEDIEVAL-L Archives:

From: "R Phair" <rwphair@myfastmail.com> Subject: Countess Ida, Bigod, Longespee Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:06:16 +0000

After he was created an earl, William Longespee issued two charters for Bradenstoke priory, Wiltshire, in which countess Ida was described as his mother; as the editor observed, this offers a reason why he named one of his daughters Ida [1].

While there were several countesses named Ida in 12th c. France, the only one known occurring in England at this time was the wife of Roger Bigod, earl of Norfolk, leading to the guess that she was William's mother [2].

As it turns out there is evidence that Ida countess of Norfolk was William's mother. Among the prisoners captured at the battle of Bouvines, Flanders, in 1214 was Ralph Bigod, described as a brother of William (Longespee) earl of Salisbury [3].

Two Ralph Bigods have been found in the records, but the older one was already an adult by 1156-62 and thus unlikely to have fought in a battle over 50 years later [4]. The other Ralph was a younger son of Roger Bigod, earl of Norfolk, whom the editors identify as still living in 1219 [5, 6]. This later Ralph seems very likely to have been the half-brother of earl William.

The French compilers of the prisoners list would probably have had a greater interest in his connection to William earl of Salisbury, one of the commanders in the battle, than to his father who is not known to have participated [7].

It may turn out to be only coincidence, but another Bradenstoke charter of earl William, dated by London as 1198x1199, was witnessed by, among others, Hugh Bigod and William Bigod [1]. These happen to be the names of both earl Roger Bigod's half-brothers and two of his sons. Both of the half-brothers were living at this time; Hugh was the older one [8]. It is not clear if both sons would have been old enough to witness a charter of their half-brother, nor is it certain that earl Roger's son William was still alive. London did not attempt to identify the witnesses.

[1] "The cartulary of Bradenstoke priory", ed. V.C.M. London, 1979, pp.8-9, nos.481, 645, 646.

[2] G.B. Roberts, "The royal descents of 500 immigrants", 1993, pp.vi, 348-364, credits Douglas Richardson with the identification of countess Ida as the wife of earl Roger Bigod, although no proof was provided. The subject of earl William's mother has generated numerous postings. See the archives.

[3] "Les registres de Philippe Augustus", ed. J.W. Baldwin, 1992, miscellanea no.13.

[4] "Recueil des actes de Henri II", ed. L. Delisle & E. Berger, 1:no. 4 (1); see also no.75 (spurious).

[5] "Complete Peerage", 9:586-7n, 589n (1936, repr. 1982), ed. G.H. White & E. Stokes; "Rotuli litterarum clausarum", ed. T.D. Hardy, 5:1 (1). This might refer to his ransom after his capture at Bouvines.

[6] The name Ralph seems to have made its first appearance in the Bigod family with Roger and Ida's son, perhaps introduced from Ida's family. No link has been found, so far, between the older Ralph Bigod and the comital family.

[7] Rolls series no.57, 7v, 1872-83, ed. H.R. Luard, 2:578-9. Cf. J. Bradbury, "Philip Auguste: king of France 1180-1223", 1998, chapter 10; W.L. Warren, "King John", 1978, pp.223-4; G. Duby, "The legend of Bouvines", transl. C. Tihanyi, 1990. Duby confused earl William Longespee with his father-in-law.

[8] Earl William Longespee witnessed many charters of king John; one of these was a confirmation of the marriage of William Bigod, earl Roger's half-brother [Pipe Roll Society 55:no.234 (1939)].
Ray Phair
Copyright 2002 by R. W. Phair

8552458 Robert de Lascelles.672  d. before 1245.

4276229 i. Avice (-<1261)
ii. Roger (-<1253)

11338368 Geoffrey Pridias.637  d. after 1249.

He m. Isabella de Orcharton637, before 1224.

They had one child:
5669184 i. Roger (~1224->1297)

11338369 Isabella de Orcharton.637  d. before 1249.

11338376 Odo de Treverbyn.637  b. in 1230. d. in 1253.

He m. Emma de Cardinan637.

They had one child:
5669188 i. Hugh

11338377 Emma de Cardinan.637  Resided in Alyngton, Devon, England.

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